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	<description>Automotive news &#38; opinion from the team at Apexstrategy.com -- writers of "Sam Barer's Sound Classics"</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by fourwheeldrift</title>
		<link>http://fourwheeldrift.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/current-electric-carsand-why-we-dont-drive-em/#comment-10624</link>
		<dc:creator>fourwheeldrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments all -- allow me to respond:

Daniel #1: The reasons electric cars haven't taken off on small island locations are simple: availability of parts and service.  It is also expensive to ship vehicles, so the cost would go up for vehicles and parts as well.  It obviously would make sense for electric vehicles to be used, but until someone can provide reliable parts and service, the status quo will be the status quo.

Don: This came up in my dinner meeting with Bob Lutz.  The fact of the matter is that if that really is important, fake exhaust note can be piped in to the car.  We all chuckled that it is an easy feature to add to an electric car -- and interesting.  You want V12 Ferrari? Air-cooled Porsche?  F1 engine? Ford 302 with H-pipe?  There could even be a huge aftermarket source for sampled sounds.

If this seems far-fetched, remember that Porsche spent unfathomable sums making the 996-series 911's water-cooled engine sound air-cooled!

Jimmy: Electric car image is low because the current offerings are nothing an enthusiast would love.  Bob brought up the Tesla roadster, and certainly any enthusiast would love one of these -- provided that they can afford the hugh asking price.  There are huge downsides to Tesla, though.  The first is the complete lack of service, unless you live in California.  Imagine having to truck your car to CA (at your expense) anytime your car needs fixing.  Furthermore, when I first was made aware of the Tesla (a couple years ago, by none-other than Danny), I noted that based on the company's own tech sheets, the battery packs would only last roughly 18 months of regular driving!  This is a huge issue!!!

Tesla might also have some issues continuing with production of its future cars, because it is in a nice legal food fight with Fisker.

Pidgit: I sat next to GM's Communications head for the EV-1 during dinner.  If you believe that the EV-1 was killed because of Big Oil, then you probably believe that Jim Morrison and Elvis are alive. In all seriousness, the EV-1 was a test of concept.  It proved what it needed to prove, which was that the market for electric cars was extremely small in a world with cheap fuel.  It also showed that electric cars required a dealer service network and electric-charging infrastructure that didn't exist at the time.

Big oil was too busy trying to influence foreign policy to increase the price of oil to get involved with little things like niche-market electric cars! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments all &#8212; allow me to respond:</p>
<p>Daniel #1: The reasons electric cars haven&#8217;t taken off on small island locations are simple: availability of parts and service.  It is also expensive to ship vehicles, so the cost would go up for vehicles and parts as well.  It obviously would make sense for electric vehicles to be used, but until someone can provide reliable parts and service, the status quo will be the status quo.</p>
<p>Don: This came up in my dinner meeting with Bob Lutz.  The fact of the matter is that if that really is important, fake exhaust note can be piped in to the car.  We all chuckled that it is an easy feature to add to an electric car &#8212; and interesting.  You want V12 Ferrari? Air-cooled Porsche?  F1 engine? Ford 302 with H-pipe?  There could even be a huge aftermarket source for sampled sounds.</p>
<p>If this seems far-fetched, remember that Porsche spent unfathomable sums making the 996-series 911&#8217;s water-cooled engine sound air-cooled!</p>
<p>Jimmy: Electric car image is low because the current offerings are nothing an enthusiast would love.  Bob brought up the Tesla roadster, and certainly any enthusiast would love one of these &#8212; provided that they can afford the hugh asking price.  There are huge downsides to Tesla, though.  The first is the complete lack of service, unless you live in California.  Imagine having to truck your car to CA (at your expense) anytime your car needs fixing.  Furthermore, when I first was made aware of the Tesla (a couple years ago, by none-other than Danny), I noted that based on the company&#8217;s own tech sheets, the battery packs would only last roughly 18 months of regular driving!  This is a huge issue!!!</p>
<p>Tesla might also have some issues continuing with production of its future cars, because it is in a nice legal food fight with Fisker.</p>
<p>Pidgit: I sat next to GM&#8217;s Communications head for the EV-1 during dinner.  If you believe that the EV-1 was killed because of Big Oil, then you probably believe that Jim Morrison and Elvis are alive. In all seriousness, the EV-1 was a test of concept.  It proved what it needed to prove, which was that the market for electric cars was extremely small in a world with cheap fuel.  It also showed that electric cars required a dealer service network and electric-charging infrastructure that didn&#8217;t exist at the time.</p>
<p>Big oil was too busy trying to influence foreign policy to increase the price of oil to get involved with little things like niche-market electric cars! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe that with all this talk about electric cars, someone has yet to mention the Tesla Roadster.  It goes 220 miles on one charge, 0 to 60mph in 3.9 seconds (there's your Vroom for ya).  In a small number of years (less than 4 I know for sure, but probably more like 1 or 2) they will be releasing a sedan version of their car.  This will have a much, much lower price than the Roadster currently has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe that with all this talk about electric cars, someone has yet to mention the Tesla Roadster.  It goes 220 miles on one charge, 0 to 60mph in 3.9 seconds (there&#8217;s your Vroom for ya).  In a small number of years (less than 4 I know for sure, but probably more like 1 or 2) they will be releasing a sedan version of their car.  This will have a much, much lower price than the Roadster currently has.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota Avalon Transmission Problems Expose Toyota&#8217;s Problem Reporting Problems by Bob Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>same problem as my 2002 Rav4.  Just google the different makes and models with "transmission" and it will just show how bad quality is getting.  

$4000 to fix my RAV4 LAST YEAR.  Just today, it's failing AGAIN... 2 months after my transmission's warranty ran out.  I still don't know what to do.

Part of it will likely be making a sign that says "My New Toyota Transmission DIED AGAIN...Toyota is NOT helping" and placing it on my side windows and then park my car in front of Toyota dealerships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>same problem as my 2002 Rav4.  Just google the different makes and models with &#8220;transmission&#8221; and it will just show how bad quality is getting.  </p>
<p>$4000 to fix my RAV4 LAST YEAR.  Just today, it&#8217;s failing AGAIN&#8230; 2 months after my transmission&#8217;s warranty ran out.  I still don&#8217;t know what to do.</p>
<p>Part of it will likely be making a sign that says &#8220;My New Toyota Transmission DIED AGAIN&#8230;Toyota is NOT helping&#8221; and placing it on my side windows and then park my car in front of Toyota dealerships.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by pidgit</title>
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		<dc:creator>pidgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are clean (physically and environmentally), they are lighter, they use NO expensive fossil fuels whatsoever and they make no noise. 

General Motors' EV-1 in the mid 90's was supposed to be the new next beginning of the electric car age, and would have been if it weren't for the oil industry that quickly squashed it and got GM and California to do away with it before it really ever had a chance.

The new GM Chevy Volt, or something similar is on it's way, and with the ridiculous and rising cost of gasoline, the Volt should be a big thing. Unfortunately, it is still in the prototype phase.

As far as an average 40 mile charge limit, a good switching system from drained batteries to backup batteries, which would get smaller in future designs, could solve that problem.  Let's all hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are clean (physically and environmentally), they are lighter, they use NO expensive fossil fuels whatsoever and they make no noise. </p>
<p>General Motors&#8217; EV-1 in the mid 90&#8217;s was supposed to be the new next beginning of the electric car age, and would have been if it weren&#8217;t for the oil industry that quickly squashed it and got GM and California to do away with it before it really ever had a chance.</p>
<p>The new GM Chevy Volt, or something similar is on it&#8217;s way, and with the ridiculous and rising cost of gasoline, the Volt should be a big thing. Unfortunately, it is still in the prototype phase.</p>
<p>As far as an average 40 mile charge limit, a good switching system from drained batteries to backup batteries, which would get smaller in future designs, could solve that problem.  Let&#8217;s all hope.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once read that the very first NYC taxicab fleet was entirely electric, designed and implemented with help from Edison in the 19th Century.  Pity that they were later abandoned because the research that would have driven the improvement of the technology never really took place

I think your uncle's arguments are good but most people just don't think like that.  Americans buy things with more capacity/capability/etc.than they will need 95% of the time because they fear the inconvenience caused by  that other 5%.  It's also fashionable to do so, as evidenced by the trend towards stainless steel, industrial-quality appliances, for example, or by the fascination with Sam's Club.  

A real pity as perhaps rental services for pickup trucks and utility vehicles could become a niche market with lower prices to serve drivers of small, compact, efficient cars (electric or not).

Electric cars have an easy market: parents of teen drivers.  Parents don't want their kids going all over the place and with a 40-mile daily limit, they are essentially tethered close to home.  Electric cars could be the new no-contract phone in terms of teen-friendliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once read that the very first NYC taxicab fleet was entirely electric, designed and implemented with help from Edison in the 19th Century.  Pity that they were later abandoned because the research that would have driven the improvement of the technology never really took place</p>
<p>I think your uncle&#8217;s arguments are good but most people just don&#8217;t think like that.  Americans buy things with more capacity/capability/etc.than they will need 95% of the time because they fear the inconvenience caused by  that other 5%.  It&#8217;s also fashionable to do so, as evidenced by the trend towards stainless steel, industrial-quality appliances, for example, or by the fascination with Sam&#8217;s Club.  </p>
<p>A real pity as perhaps rental services for pickup trucks and utility vehicles could become a niche market with lower prices to serve drivers of small, compact, efficient cars (electric or not).</p>
<p>Electric cars have an easy market: parents of teen drivers.  Parents don&#8217;t want their kids going all over the place and with a 40-mile daily limit, they are essentially tethered close to home.  Electric cars could be the new no-contract phone in terms of teen-friendliness.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by jimmythekipper</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmythekipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think electric cars  have the kudos of a petrol one if i turned up to pick up my friend in an electric car i would proberbaly get laughed at and it refered to as a golf cart! i agree with  Don Scrampton when he says
"They don’t go “Vroom” enough." because no one want to go around in a car that emits a whiring noise like a clapped out dodgem,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think electric cars  have the kudos of a petrol one if i turned up to pick up my friend in an electric car i would proberbaly get laughed at and it refered to as a golf cart! i agree with  Don Scrampton when he says<br />
&#8220;They don’t go “Vroom” enough.&#8221; because no one want to go around in a car that emits a whiring noise like a clapped out dodgem,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by Don Scrampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Scrampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don't go "Vroom" enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t go &#8220;Vroom&#8221; enough.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Electric Cars&#8230;And Why We Don&#8217;t Drive &#8216;Em by Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you can help me out. I'm wondering why there aren't more electric only cars on the islands of the Caribbean. The distances are short, people are used to small cars, and fuel is expensive. Just wondering here at www.bentpage.wordpress.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you can help me out. I&#8217;m wondering why there aren&#8217;t more electric only cars on the islands of the Caribbean. The distances are short, people are used to small cars, and fuel is expensive. Just wondering here at <a href="http://www.bentpage.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bentpage.wordpress.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;The Last Open Road&#8221; &#8212; Literary Porn for Vintage Sports Car Enthusiasts by Burt Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burt Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated! The Last Open Road is about to go into its seventh printing (over 40,000 sold!) and mostly thanks to "car media" reviews like this and tremendous word-of-mouth support on the racing, collector car and all-purpose gearhead scenes--highly unusual for a novel! The other books are also doing well (just did another reprint on Montezuma's Ferrari), and thanks so much to all the people who've enjoyed and recommended them!
I'm currently working on the next (5th) and most likely last book in the series. There's some other stuff I want to write after that.
Burt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated! The Last Open Road is about to go into its seventh printing (over 40,000 sold!) and mostly thanks to &#8220;car media&#8221; reviews like this and tremendous word-of-mouth support on the racing, collector car and all-purpose gearhead scenes&#8211;highly unusual for a novel! The other books are also doing well (just did another reprint on Montezuma&#8217;s Ferrari), and thanks so much to all the people who&#8217;ve enjoyed and recommended them!<br />
I&#8217;m currently working on the next (5th) and most likely last book in the series. There&#8217;s some other stuff I want to write after that.<br />
Burt</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Incomplete Guide to Buying a Car for Your Teen by fourwheeldrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>fourwheeldrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saturn started out hot, then was totally ignored during the SUV craze.  Just recently (like in the past two years,) Saturn has come back on strong.  The Aura is a great vehicle, but I don't think you're going to find one in your price range, since they have only been out about two years. (I also wouldn't suggest buying initial production of any car by any manufacturer.)

Saturns from four or five years ago are at best mediocre. 

You might look towards a Mazda6 (or maybe a Mazda3, but I find those too darn small) and see what falls into the price range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saturn started out hot, then was totally ignored during the SUV craze.  Just recently (like in the past two years,) Saturn has come back on strong.  The Aura is a great vehicle, but I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re going to find one in your price range, since they have only been out about two years. (I also wouldn&#8217;t suggest buying initial production of any car by any manufacturer.)</p>
<p>Saturns from four or five years ago are at best mediocre. </p>
<p>You might look towards a Mazda6 (or maybe a Mazda3, but I find those too darn small) and see what falls into the price range.</p>
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